This one deserves a stand-alone...
Federal judge Shira Scheindlin ruled on Monday that the
New York City Police Department's "stop and frisk" policy violates
the constitutional rights of minorities.
* I HAVEN'T READ THE OPINION. MY GUESS IS THAT IT'S
FLAWED.
* FOLKS... EITHER THE POLICY VIOLATES THE RIGHTS OF
AMERICANS OR IT DOESN'T.
* CREATING A "RACE CASE" OUT OF A "RIGHTS" CASE... THAT'S WHAT IMMEDIATELY RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY.
Her ruling was expected given her anti-police bent, but
that makes it all the more surprising that her evidence is so thin and
unpersuasive.
In the class-action lawsuit at issue, Floyd v. City of
New York, plaintiffs claimed that the NYPD is stopping, questioning and
sometimes frisking potential suspects on the basis of race. The circumstances
in which these plaintiffs were stopped would seem to be the heart of the case.
* YEP...
But Judge Scheindlin draws a bigger picture of her own
supposition.
* DO TELL!
In her Monday opinion she writes that the case is
"not primarily about the nineteen individual stops that were the subject
of testimony at trial. Rather, this case is about whether the City has a policy
or custom of violating the Constitution by making unlawful stops and conducting
unlawful frisks."
* ACTUALLY... THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME.
(*SHRUG*)
But surely one could not begin to establish that the NYPD
has a discriminatory policy or custom without first establishing a consistent
pattern among the 19 stops at issue.
* WELL... IF A CERTAIN GOVERNMENT ACTION - EVEN IF ONLY EXERCISED EVERY NOW
AND THEN - IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL... THEN IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL... PERIOD.
Judge Scheindlin states that the NYPD conducted 4.4
million stops between January 2004 and June 2012. If the class-action lawyers
chose only 19 out of these 4.4 million to prove their claims, presumably these
incidents are among the most egregious.
* I CARE WHY THE STOPS WERE MADE. IF THEY WERE
"REASONABLE" THEN THEY'RE NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL. (UNREASONABLE SEARCHES
ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL; REASONABLE SEARCHES AREN'T.)
Since the plaintiffs weren't seeking monetary damages,
but only changes in policy, they were permitted to request a trial without a
jury, which they did. That's their right, but it's curious since so many in the
media keep telling us how controversial the NYPD's tactics are among the
public. Apparently the lawyers knew better than to put this case in front of
average New Yorkers. The upshot is that Judge Scheindlin has enjoyed complete
discretion, at least until the Second Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals or Supreme
Court weigh in.
* AGAIN... THE EDITORIALIST SEEMS TO BE INFERRING THAT
AVERAGE NEW YORKERS WOULD HAVE LIKELY RULED "PRAGMATICALLY" - AS
OPPOSED TO STICKING TO CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATES AND INDIVIDUAL CIVIL RIGHTS.
(ME...? I'M A CONSTITUTIONIST! THE AUTHOR...??? I'M NOT SO SURE.)
Remember, based on various Supreme Court precedents,
including Terry v. Ohio, it is constitutional for the police to stop and
question people based on reasonable suspicion, or even to frisk those they
believe present a threat.
* YEP. (THAT'S WHAT I WROTE UP ABOVE!)
Stops are also explicitly allowed under New York's
Criminal Procedure Law when an officer "reasonably suspects that such
person is committing, has committed or is about to commit either (a) a felony
or (b) a misdemeanor defined in the penal law."
* I CAN ACCEPT THAT... BUT... BUT... EACH CASE DESERVES
IT'S OWN ULTIMATE RULING. (IN OTHER WORDS, THE ABOVE LANGUAGE CAN'T JUST BE
BOILERPLATE... CAN'T JUST BE CYA "GO TO" LANGUAGE. STOPS MUST BE REASONABLE IN
TERMS OF FOLLOWING THE SPIRIT OF THE ABOVE REGULATION.)
The plaintiffs and Judge Scheindlin point to the large
number of minorities stopped relative to their representation in the overall
population and see racism.
* I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE DISPARATE IMPACT ARGUMENT
AS LONG AS THE SEARCHES CAN BE JUSTIFIED BY REALITY ON THE STREETS.
But looking at the individual stops even the judge saw
shades of gray.
Judge Scheindlin writes in her opinion that after
reviewing the 19 stops, "I find that nine of the stops and frisks were
unconstitutional — that is, they were not based on reasonable suspicion."
In five others she ruled that the stops were OK but the resulting frisks were
unconstitutional. And in five others neither the stop nor the frisk was
unconstitutional.
* SO IN 14 OUT OF 19 CASES... THERE WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL
PROBLEM WITH THE STOP AND/OR FRISK. THAT'S NOT GOOD!
So we're down to 14 or fewer out of 4.4 million...
* NO... (*SMIRK*)... WE'RE TALKING 14 OUT OF 19. (NICE TRY, THOUGH!)
But let's look a little closer at those 14. They include
a February 2008 stop of David Floyd, the named plaintiff who, along with
another man, was observed trying numerous keys and jostling a door in an area
where a series of burglaries had recently been reported. Because burglary is
often a violent crime, the judge thought the cops were justified in stopping
and frisking the mens' outer garments but went too far in checking Mr. Floyd's
pockets. Therefore the judge ruled that his Fourth Amendment rights had been
violated.
* BUT... er... "TRYING NUMEROUS KEYS."
(*SCRATCHING MY HEAD*)
* NOT "USING BURGLAR TOOLS."
* NOT "USING A
CROWBAR."
* NOT "BREAKING A WINDOW TO GAIN ENTRANCE."
* IF ANYTHING, I'M WONDERING WHAT MADE THE INITIAL FRISK
OK!
Then there's Clive Lino, stopped and frisked in 2011
because he matched the description of a homicide suspect from a wanted poster
distributed to officers that morning — right down to his red leather Pelle
Pelle jacket. Here again the judge saw a reasonable stop and even a reasonable
frisk, but a frisk that went too far and created another alleged Fourth
Amendment violation.
* NOPE... ON THIS ONE I'M WITH THE COP.
In other stop instances, the judge makes clear that she
ruled for the plaintiffs simply because she did not believe the police.
* WELL... ISN'T CREDIBILITY FAIR GAME? PART OF THE TOTAL
PICTURE?
Abandoning her pose of impartiality, the judge concludes
her opinion with an appeal to the authority of — not the Constitution or some
eminent jurist — but a newspaper column about Trayvon Martin.
(*JUST SHAKING MY HEAD*)
* I'VE READ A BIT ABOUT THIS JUDGE. SHE GETS REVERSED A
LOT.
Judge Scheindlin's bias shines through...
* AS DOES THIS EDITORIALIST'S BIAS...
(*SMILE*)
...though even she declined to ban
stop-question-and-frisk in toto.
Instead, she will impose a new police monitor, on top of
the nine that already exist (two independent city agencies plus seven
prosecutors). And she will force some police to wear cameras on the beat so she
and others can micromanage police behavior.
* IS THAT REALLY SO BAD? NOWADAYS POLICE CARS OFTEN MOUNT
DASHBOARD CAMERAS - DON'T THEY? FRANKLY... I CAN SEE IT FROM BOTH PERSPECTIVES
- THE PRO AND ANTI.
Mayor Mike Bloomberg denounced the ruling and said the
city will appeal, but he is a short-timer and the next mayor could agree to
comply with Judge Scheindlin. The current candidates should have to declare
themselves on the point. The tragedy is that if the judge's ruling isn't
overturned, the victims won't be in the tony precincts of liberal New York.
They will be in the barrios and housing projects where stop-and-frisk has
helped to protect the most vulnerable citizens, who are usually minorities.
* WHEN ABUSED... WHEN PERFORMED IN CLEAR VIOLATION TO THE WORDING AND SPIRIT OF OUR FEDERAL CONSTITUTION, STATE CONSTITUTIONS, AND FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS IT'S A THREAT TO ALL WE SHOULD HOLD DEAR.
2 comments:
As far as I'm concerned Stop and frisk is a non entity. A police officer still needs reasonable suspicion to stop somebody and he still needs Probable cause to arrest them. Just about every defense attorney on the planet is going to challenge every single stop no matter how legitimate it is and if it's not, the Judge is going to throw it out. Unless something has changed since I left patrol "which has been quit some time now" Stop question and frisk is just a form created by the NYPD to say why you stopped somebody. It doesn't change the dynamic in any way.
I was never told I could search anyone I wanted if I filled out the form. I had to abide by the constitution and when done, fill out the SQF form. I didn't even fill out the form 99% of the time because it had no bearing on the law and it was just a department policy. On top of that nobody ever came looking for the form, but I still had to go to court and testify to a judge concerning those stops. During the Giuliani administration people complained that if a Police Officer stopped somebody for reasonable suspicion and found no probable cause, there was no documentation to show that any stop occurred. Hence they must just be stopping everybody "namely minorities" until they find somebody with a gun. This must be the case because why are so many minorities getting arrested with guns and not white people. They believed Police Officers would stop searching people if they had to document every stop. They were wrong. Maybe a lot has changed in the program since I left patrol but I doubt it. What I find unbelievable is that nobody comes out and even tries to explain this. I guess its a useful tool in turning everybody against each other.
A police officer still needs reasonable suspicion to stop somebody and he still needs Probable cause to arrest them.
* YEP!
(*THUMBS UP*)
Stop question and frisk is just a form created by the NYPD to say why you stopped somebody. It doesn't change the dynamic in any way.
* AND THIS IS A KEY - PERHAPS "THE" KEY - POINT, HERE, FOLKS.
I was never told I could search anyone I wanted if I filled out the form. ... Just about every defense attorney on the planet is going to challenge every single stop no matter how legitimate it is and if it's not, the Judge is going to throw it out.
* YEP... THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET OUT IN MY ORIGINAL POST.
I had to abide by the constitution...
(*STANDING FRIGGIN' OVATION*)
During the Giuliani administration people complained that [when] a Police Officer stopped somebody for reasonable suspicion and found no probable cause, there was no documentation to show that any stop occurred. Hence [we] "must" just be stopping minorities until [we] find somebody with a gun. This "must" be the case because why [else] are so many minorities getting arrested with guns and not white people? They believed Police Officers would stop searching people if they had to document every stop. They were wrong.
* YEP. AND THANK GOD! AGAIN... AS LONG AS A POLICE OFFICER IS ACTING WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF CONSTITUTIONALLY "REASONABLE" THEN THERE'S NO PROBLEM. AND BEYOND THE INTEGRITY OF OFFICERS LIKE THIS ONE HERE (THE AUTHOR) THERE'S THE COURTS TO BACK UP THE CONSTITUTION AND MAKE SURE THAT ABUSES ARE NOT TOLERATED.
What I find unbelievable is that nobody comes out and even tries to explain this.
* YOU JUST DID! THANK YOU!
I guess its a useful tool in turning everybody against each other.
* THERE IS INDEED - UNFORTUNATELY - THERE ARE RACE HUSTLERS AND A FOR-PROFIT "GRIEVANCE INDUSTRY" ALIVE AND WELL IN AMERICA 2013.
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