Is Boehner desperately seeking to align himself with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid and take just enough "Republican" House Members with him so as to strike a dagger into the heart of the GOP?
That's what's being reported this morning.
"Speaker John Boehner is considering letting the House take the initial vote Wednesday on a Senate-prepared bill to lift the debt ceiling and restart funding for the shuttered federal government - apparently even if House conservatives object."
"'Boehner will need Pelosi votes,' said one senior Democratic aide, familiar with what he described as the cross-party negotiations that have been occurring Wednesday morning."
"[A] senior House GOP leadership aide confirmed the talk, saying the bill could go to the House rules committee in the next few hours."
Once again it appears that RINOs (Republicans in name
only) will unite with Democrats to keep the spigots open... to add deficit upon
debt upon deficit upon debt...
ObamaCare will survive and grow as a cancer... next stop
single payer...
Oh... you don't think so? You don't think this has been
the plan all along? I've watched the videos, heard the audio clips, read the
transcripts (all in context because I'll settle for nothing less) and there's
simply no doubt in my mind that Obama is well aware that the failings,
disconnects, and disruptions coming out of ObamaCare will collapse the system and
thus "force" the creation of a single payer "socialized
medicine" regime. Indeed, it's what he and his supporters count upon!
"The deal would also include a Dec. 15 deadline for a budget conference report, as well as an anti-fraud provision designed to verify income for those who receive subsidies under the Affordable Care Act."
Yes... the Boehner, Obama, Pelosi, Reid, McConnell
deal...
Think about it, folks. As always,
"bipartisanship" equates to the RINO leadership betraying Republican
ideals - not to mention Republican campaign promises!
We shall see if things are as dire as reported.
God help us...
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131016/DA9F3LL80.html
Even if Congress reaches a last-minute or deadline-busting deal to avert a federal default and fully reopen the government, elected officials are likely to return to their grinding brand of brinkmanship - perhaps repeatedly.
* AND EACH TIME THE REPUBLICANS CAVE THEY FURTHER WEAKEN THEIR OWN "BRAND." THEY SHOW THEY STAND FOR NOTHING. IT'S AN ENDLESS DOWNWARD SPIRAL INTO OBLIVION.
House-Senate talks are barely touching the underlying causes of debt-and-spending stalemates that pushed the country close to economic crises in 2011, last December and again this month.
* AND YET IS THIS THE REALITY BEING PRESENTED BY THE MEDIA? NO! AND IT GOES BEYOND BIAS AND PARTISANSHIP! POLITICS AS "SPORTS CONTEST" IS JUST THE WAY THE MEDIA COVERS THESE THINGS!
Late Tuesday, the GOP-controlled House dropped efforts to craft a bill to raise the debt limit and fully open the government. House members will wait for the Democratic-controlled Senate to act, which could push a final resolution past Thursday. That's when administration officials say federal borrowing powers will be tapped out.
* GOP CONTROLLED HOUSE... (*SNORT*)... IF ONLY! BOEHNER AND MCCONNELL AND THEIR FOLLOWERS HATE THE TEA PARTY AND THOSE IDENTIFIED WITH THE TEA PARTY CONCEPT! THEY'D MUCH RATHER "COMPROMISE" WITH THE LIKES OF OBAMA, REID, AND PELOSI THAN WITH MIKE LEE, TED CRUZ, RAND PAUL... BILL BARKER...
At best, however, lawmakers and the White House will agree to fund the government and raise the debt limit for only a few months.
* WHAT'S THE POINT...?!?! THEY'LL ONLY CAVE AGAIN! THE ONLY THING WILL BE DIFFERENT IS THAT THE NATION WILL BE A FEW MONTHS CLOSER TO THE NEXT NATIONAL ELECTION AND THEREFORE RINOs CAN BE EXPECTED TO BE EVEN MORE GUTLESS THAN IN OFF YEARS!
They also will call for yet another bipartisan effort to address the federal debt's major causes, including restricted revenue growth and entitlement benefits that rise automatically.
* FOLKS... WHAT IS THE AUTHOR BABBLING ABOUT...?!?! THERE'S NOTHING NEW ABOUT ENTITLEMENT BENEFITS THAT RISE AUTOMATICALLY! THIS IS THE SYSTEM THAT "BIPARTISANSHIP" HAS CREATED! THEY DIDN'T CREATE THE SELF-EXPANDING WELFARE STATE BY ACCIDENT! (AND THE DEMOCRATS STILL CHAMPION FURTHER EXPANSION!!!)
"We're probably going to have to go through this a few more times," said Bob Bixby of the bipartisan Concord Coalition, which advocates budget reforms. Even if a compromise plan this month wins House, Senate and White House approval, Bixby said, it will leave fundamental problems that "they haven't done anything to address."
* SO REVOLUTION IS THE ANSWER...?! (BECAUSE READING BETWEEN THE LINES OF BIXBY'S COMMENTS, NOTHING SHORT OF REVOLUTION WILL FORCE NECESSARY CHANGE.)
Henry J. Aaron, a Brookings Institution scholar who supports unprecedented legal action to avert future debt showdowns, agreed that three or four months of breathing room is a small victory. "If all we achieve is a repetition of this charade," Aaron said, "we will not have achieved much."
* THAT'S "BIPARTISANSHIP" FOR YOU!
* HEY, FOLKS... REMEMBER THE "BIPARTISAN SUPERCOMMITTEE" THAT CAME UP WITH A PLAN THAT IF NOT FOLLOWED WOULD LEAD TO "SEQUESTER?" REMEMBER HOW AT THE TIME THE POLITICIANS OF BOTH PARTIES CHEERED THE "GRAND COMPROMISE?" REMEMBER HOW THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA CHEERED THE "GRAND COMPROMISE?"
Both parties had agreed to supposedly unbearable "sequester" spending cuts to goad each other into big compromises to find a better way. But negotiations faltered and the clumsy-by-design sequester cuts - automatic and across the board - became law this year.
* HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT?
http://www.fox28.com/story/23688796/2013/10/14/bonnie-doon-ice-cream-plant-downtown-mishawaka-location-close
An iconic Michiana, Indiana company is closing.
Tuesday, FOX28 talked with owners of the Bonnie Doon plant and downtown Mishawaka location. They tell us there are many reasons for the shutdown such as the declining economy and the rise in production costs. But the number one factor? The anticipated cost of the Affordable Care Act.
* AGAIN...
But the number one factor? The anticipated cost of the Affordable Care Act.
Adam Carroll is owner of the Lincolnway Bonnie Doon. Even though the Bonnie Doon Plant and downtown location are closing, he says he's not going anywhere. "I've been with the company for 21 years, it was my first job and I started working for them when I was 14."
He says the closing plant means he has to find a new ice cream supplier. "With the ObamaCare it just will affect the businesses too much so that was their main reason for shutting down the ice cream plant at this time."
FOX28 talked with the CFO who confirmed the anticipation of the Affordable Care Act played a large part in the shut down, something Kyle Hannon, Elkhart Chamber of Commerce President says many small businesses are wrestling with. "Our businesses have been concerned, kind of wondering 'how much is this going to cost? How is it going to impact us?"
He says he doesn't expect any big layoffs or shutdowns like at Bonnie Doon because most companies are already making adjustments. "Companies that were right on the edge of hiring more employees have held back because they don't want to go over that magic 50 employee number."
* WONDERFUL, HUH?
* THREE-PARTER (Part 1 of 3)
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/10/15/goldwater-rockefeller-redux/
“History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”
Mark Twain’s insight comes to mind as one observes the panic of Beltway Republicans over the latest polls in the battle of ObamaCare.
According to Gallup, approval of the Republican Party has sunk 10 points in two weeks to 28%, an all-time low. In the Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, approval of the GOP has fallen to 24%.
Though the truth is the Republicans’ House has voted three times to keep open and to fund every agency, department and program of the U.S. government, except for ObamaCare, in the campaign to persuade America of their Big Lie — that the House Republicans shut down the government — the White House and its media chorus appear to have won this round.
* WITH BOEHNER AND MCCONNELL IN CHARGE THE GOP NEVER REALLY FOUGHT.
* OH... AND AS TO THE THREE SEPARATE VOTES THE BOEHNERITES DID ALLOW...
They voted to kill that monstrosity [we know as ObamaCare] but once.
(*PURSED LIPS*)
* TO BE CONTINUED...
* CONTINUING... (Part 2 of 3)
Republicans should refuse to raise the white flag and insist on an honorable avenue of retreat.
* NO. REPUBLICANS SHOULD FIGHT ON. REPUBLICANS SHOULD HOLD FAST.
And if Harry Reid’s Senate demands the GOP end the sequester on federal spending, or be blamed for a debt default, the party should, Samson-like, bring down the roof of the temple on everybody’s head.
* EXACTLY!
This is an honorable battle lost, not a war.
* WE'LL SEE...
Why, after all, did Republicans stand up? Because they believe ObamaCare is an abomination, a new entitlement program this nation, lurching toward bankruptcy, cannot afford. It is imposing increases in health care premiums on millions of Americans, disrupting doctor-patient relationships and forcing businesses to cut workers back to 29 hours a week. Even Democratic Sen. Max Baucus has predicted a coming “train wreck.”
* TRUE...
Now if the Republican Party believes this, what choice did the House have except to fight to defund or postpone it, against all odds, and tune out the whining of the “We-can’t-win!” Republican establishment?
* BUT THEY DIDN'T TUNE IT OUT! THE "WE CAN'T WIN" REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT CLEARLY CONTROLS THE GOP. THE FACT THAT THEY HELD OUT AN ILLUSION TO SUPPORTERS FOR A COUPLE WEEKS PRIOR TO ACTAULLY CAVING DOESN'T CHANGE THIS.
And if Republicans are paralyzed by polls produced by this three-week skirmish, they should reread the history of the party and the movement to which they profess to belong.
* THEY SHOULD... BUT THEY WON'T. MOST OF THEM ARE POLITICIANS FIRST, PATRIOTS SECOND. (AND THE GOP IS BETTER IN THIS REGARD THAN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY... SO WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU ABOUT WHERE AMERICA IS HEADED...?)
* TO BE CONTINUED...
* CONCLUDING... (Part 3 of 3)
In the early 1960s, when the post-war Right rose to challenge JFK with Mr. Conservative, events and actions conspired to put Barry Goldwater in the worst hole of a Republican nominee in history.
Kennedy was murdered in Dallas one year before the election. Goldwater had glibly hinted he would privatize Social Security, sell the Tennessee Valley Authority and “lob one into the men’s room at the Kremlin.” After his defeat of Nelson Rockefeller in the California primary assured his nomination, Goldwater was 59 points behind LBJ — 77%-18%.
The Republican liberals — Govs. Rockefeller, George Romney and William Scranton — to the cheers of the Washington press, began to attack Goldwater for “extremism” and failing to vote for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. At the Cow Palace convention, liberals demanded Goldwater rewrite the platform to equate The John Birch Society with the Communist Party USA and the Ku Klux Klan, which had murdered four black girls at a Birmingham church in 1963 and three civil rights workers in Neshoba County, Miss., that same summer.
Goldwater rejected this stinking outrage, declaring, “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” And, so, the liberals all abandoned him.
One man stood by Goldwater. The two-time loser Richard Nixon, who had not won a race in his own right since 1950, campaigned for Goldwater and the party longer and harder than Barry himself.
And what became of them all?
Bill Scranton packed it in 1966. George Romney was trounced in 1968 by Nixon, with Goldwater’s legions at his side, in New Hampshire, and quit the race two weeks before the returns came in.
Rockefeller, who had spent a career calling Nixon a “loser,” lacked what it took to challenge Nixon in any of the contested primaries.
And, lest we forget, one other national Republican spoke up for Goldwater and conservatism in that 1964 humiliation, the retired Hollywood actor and impresario of GE Theater: Ronald Reagan.
Nixon and Reagan would go on to win four of the next five GOP nominations and presidential elections. In the one convention Reagan lost, 1976, the Right, as the price of its support of Gerald R. Ford, demanded that Nelson Rockefeller be dumped as vice president. (Done! Rocky was last seen flipping a middle finger to the delegates happily marking “paid” on his account.)
Prediction: The people who fought the battle of ObamaCare will be proven right to have fought it, and America will come to see this. (And the people who said, “We can’t win!” will never win.)
* BUT THEY HAVE WON, PAT, THIS IS WHAT YOU FAIL TO SEE. MCCONNELL SEES HIMSELF AS A WINNER EVEN IF HE NEVER RISES AGAIN TO SENATE MAJORITY LEADER. BOEHNER VIEWS HIMSELF AS A WINNER BECAUSE HE'S SPEAKER. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, PAT, THAT MEN LIKE THESE VIEW SUCCESS AS MONEY AND POWER AND THEY HAVE ENOUGH OF BOTH TO BE CONTENT.
America is at a turning point.
* WE'RE PAST A TURNING POINT. (IT'S THE DEMOGRAPHICS, STUPID!) 2013 AMERICANS ARE NOT 1980 AMERICANS OR 1968 AMERICANS.
If she does not stop squandering hundreds of billions on liberal agenda items like ObamaCare and if she do not end these trade deficits sucking the jobs, factories and investment capital out of our country, we will find ourselves beside Greece, Spain, Illinois and Detroit.
* AND RINOs WILL RETAIN THEIR WEALTH AND OFTEN MUCH OF THEIR POWER. NO MATTER HOW SMALL THE POND... THEY'LL BE BIG FISH.
Even if America disagrees, as in 1964 when it embraced LBJ’s Great Society plunge to social and economic disaster, Republicans need to stand up — current polls and corporate Republicans be damned.
* BUT THEY WON'T.
If the right is Right, time will prove it, as it did long ago.
* THE RIGHT IS RIGHT... BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY CLEARLY DOESN'T AGREE.
* THREE-PARTER... (Part 1 of 3)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/10/16/conservatives_say_boehners_job_is_safe_for_now_120349.html
As House Speaker John Boehner prepares to take up a measure Wednesday night that is expected to pass with a majority of Democratic support, conservatives who have opposed him in the past say his job isn't in jeopardy.
* CONSERVATIVES WHO HAVE OPPOSED HIM IN THE PAST...???
http://www.usalyright.blogspot.com/2013/01/boehner-re-elected-speaker-with-support.html
* IN JANUARY TWELVE (12) MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE CAUCUS REFUSED TO VOTE FOR BOEHNER. OF THESE... THREE VOTED FOR CANTOR - BOEHNER'S LOYAL DEPUTY! ANOTHER TWO (2) DIDN'T VOTE, AND ONE (1) VOTED "PRESENT."
* FOLKS... UNDERSTAND... THIS WORD "CONSERVATIVE" MEANS NOTHING... TELLS YOU NOTHING. FORGET LABELS. IGNORE WHAT THEY SAY! WATCH HOW THEY VOTE!
"I've actually been really proud of Speaker Boehner in the last 2½ weeks," said Rep. Raul Labrador, who voted with several others in a failed attempt to overthrow the Republican leader in January. “I don’t think Speaker Boehner has anything to worry about right now.”
* SO... TWELVE MINUS THREE... AND NOW LABRADOR... (*SHRUG*)
Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, the former chair of the Republican Study Committee, said there is “absolutely no talk” of kicking Boehner out of his job.
* THE REPUBLICAN STUDY COMMITTEE IS A JOKE. NAN HAYWORTH WAS A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!
* TO BE CONTINUED...
* CONTINUING...
Labrador said, some of his other GOP colleagues should be the ones to go.
“I don’t think he should be ashamed of anything that he has done,” the Idaho congressman told reporters. “I’m more upset at my Republican colleagues. It’s been Republicans here who apparently always want to fight but they always want to fight the next fight. That has given Speaker Boehner the inability to be successful in this fight. So if anybody should be kicked out, it’s probably those Republicans.”
* BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE. AND IN ANY CASE WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE AND BOEHNER HAS THE CHOICE OF SUPPORTING YOU OR THESE "TOMORROW" REPUBLICANS WHO DOES BOEHNER ALWAYS CHOOSE? THE "TOMORROW" REPUBLICANS!
* IN ANY CASE, BOEHNER HAS FAILED. AGAIN. SHOULDN'T FAILURE UPON FAILURE BE REASON ALONE TO GET RID OF BOEHNER?
After GOP leadership failed to garner enough support for an alternative budget plan, Boehner decided to move ahead with Senate legislation, advanced by Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, that would fund the government through mid-January, lift the debt ceiling into February and establish a conference committee on taxes and spending by December.
* SAME... OLD... CRAP...
The Senate is slated to pass the measure Wednesday night, and House Republicans will then take up the bill with the help of Democrats. This scenario is familiar: Boehner took a similar approach with a measure to avert January 1’s so-called fiscal cliff of spending cuts and revenue increases. Only 85 Republicans voted for that plan, which divided House leaders. Its detractors criticized the measure for what they saw as a tax hike. Later that month, Labrador and others opposed Boehner’s re-election to his leadership post.
* HAVE THEY GOTTEN TO LABRADOR?
Some conservatives see the current situation as slightly different. Boehner acceded to their wishes to tie defunding of the health care law to the continuing resolution, even when he had wanted to have the ObamaCare fight on debt ceiling negotiations. With options now exhausted, Boehner is moving forward with the Senate plan in order to keep the nation from defaulting on its debt obligations.
* BUT THAT'S JUST THE THING... OPTIONS AREN'T EXHAUSTED. BOEHNER SIMPLY GAVE UP. AGAIN... ONE MORE FRIGGIN' TIME... THE REVENUES THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT CURRENTLY TAKE IN ON A DAILY/WEEKLY/MONTHLY BASIS ARE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT TO KEEP INTEREST PAYMENTS CURRENT WHILE LEAVING THE REST TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT! (I BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS 7% - SEVEN PERCENT OF REVENUES WOULD FUND DEBT PAYMENTS LEAVING 93% OF $2.1 BILLION OR THEREABOUT IN REVUENES TO CONTINUE FUNDING GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.
* FOLKS... THE ONLY "CRISIS" CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT WOULD FACE BY NOT RAISING THE DEBT LIMIT WOULD BE THE "CRISIS" OF HAVING TO DO THEIR FRIGGIN' JOBS AND RUN THE GOVERNMENT ON THE MONEY AVIALABLE - OR ELSE RAISE TAXES!
* TO BE CONTINUED...
* CONCLUDING... (Part 3 of 3)
Still, others aren’t exactly convinced the GOP had no cards to play. Kansas Rep. Tim Huelskamp said he is “disappointed in the lack of efforts [by] our leadership” on Tuesday, noting they did not whip for his vote. “The key point yesterday was when they said they're not whipping anything. ... Tom DeLay would roll over and say that's not the way you run a House if you would like to get something done.” Asked if Boehner and others should be penalized for this, Huelskamp suggested now is not the time for a coup. But, he warned, “for folks that are running for speaker next time, I think we will recall, well, what role did you play in this?”
* I BELIEVE HUELSKAMP IS WRONG. NOW IS THE TIME FOR A "COUP." IF NOT NOW... WHY? IF NOT NOW... WHEN?
In fact, the Kansas lawmaker defended Boehner somewhat by criticizing moderates in the conference: "It's pretty hard when he has a circle of 20 people who stand up every day and say, 'Can we surrender today, Mr. Speaker? Can we just go away? Can we make it easy?’ Whine and whine. I wouldn't say a surrender caucus, it's a whiner caucus. All they do is whine about the battle as if they thought being elected to Washington was going to be an easy job."
* AGAIN... HUELSKAMP - LIKE LABRADOR - IS CONFUSING APPLES WITH ORANGES. YES, THERE ARE PLENTY OF RINOs PULLING BOEHNER LEFT. THE THING IS... BOEHNER ALWAYS DOES IN THE END SURRENDER TO THEM. IF HE CAN'T BRING THEM ALONG WITH HIM DOING THE RIGHT THING, WHY RETAIN HIM AS SPEAKER?
* LISTEN... IF BOEHNER CARED MORE ABOUT THE COUNTRY THAN ABOUT HIMSELF HE'D RESIGN THE SPEAKERSHIP AND THROW HIS SUPPORT TO A TEA PARTY CANDIDATE. END OF STORY.
Members who had been critical of Boehner for the votes on the fiscal cliff and other measures this year (including Hurricane Sandy relief and the Violence Against Women Act), had praised him in recent weeks for keeping the fragile conference together, even amid a flailing strategy. But they have warned Boehner against breaking the so-called Hastert Rule, which they interpret as bringing a bill to the floor only if it has support from a majority of Republicans.
* WHICH HE THREATENED TO DO... OR SO "INSIDER SOURCES" SURMISE. FOLKS... I FEAR BOEHNER IS USING EXTORTION TO RETAIN POWER AND I FEAR IT'S WORKING.
While they aren’t threatening Boehner’s job at the moment, conservatives are not happy about the Senate bill they will be voting on later Wednesday. Asked at a Heritage Foundation event Wednesday afternoon whether they would back the measure, the handful of lawmakers on the dais simply laughed. “I don’t even want to look at it,” South Carolina Rep. Mick Mulvaney said.
* WELL THAT'S AN ASSHOLE ANSWER! YOU READ IT... THEN YOU HIGHLIGHT WHAT'S BAD ABOUT IT AND HANG IT ON THE AUTHORS! YOU KEEP FIGHTING!!!
Those members conceded that the establishment wing of their party has won this battle, but promised to continue the fight against the health care law when the next budget deadline arrives.
* TOO LATE, I FEAR.
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